Rule changes for 2010

[Paul Robertson]

Clearly I'll vote for +20kg on the minimum weight, but otherwise I'll go with the flow on other tech changes.
. When there is an argument about the possibility of adding metal to parts of the engine, then we've lost sight of the spirit of cheap, simple, racing.

Well said martin,i'm sure there are plenty of us that agree with you on this.
Paul

[philip myatt]

Having now successfully completed the rolling road testing of the proposed new carb for next year we are now going to start track testing of the setup at Mallory next Tuesday 25th, anyone is welcome to join us to see the progress made to date and our efforts to now get it to go around corners!!

[Pete Sparrow]

Hi all,
i have a few words to say on all this as i have been keeping my ears to the ground but have not done much racing.
we all know that we have a very special championship with some fantastic people involved. i would be a great shame to see it disappear over techincal issues. these are not the first and i'm sure they won't be the last. We make rules for a reason and they need to be policed otherwise what's the point in having them?
what we need is for people to know that the playing field is as level as we can make it, this is our age old problem, the regs as they stand allow a good amount of changes to the car for a one make championship, the more we can reduce the chance of money being the reason people win the better. I for one have spent a lot of money on rolling roads and development over the years and generally the people that do this are the ones at the front of the grid. If we can have a standard exhaust, and club cam, club carb. club tyres we are working are way towards having a standardised car. there is no question that this will help people with less money, time or expertise. If we went back to cross boxes and standard heads would this make the racing worse? I personally think not.
I like the idea of being able to repair things like oil coolers and to have alternative options on oil feed pipes as these items are not only getting rare but expensive as well but buying them is not going to give a performance advantage, can we do club group buys, this seems to work well on other forums i've used, buy 20 flexi oil feed pipes for example and sell them as cheap as poss to members, the club (i believe) has the resources to do things like this. I also like the 20kg weight increase, this will stop all the fat people moaning about skinny people winning, at the end of the day the closer it is the more fun we have and the better it is to watch.
How can we go wrong?
???

[Derek Coghill]

<Anyone knows that adding metal in engineering involves high levels of skill, expense, development and testing. We should encourage simple low cost innovation>

Another twopenceworth......

Graham's been filling in heads for years. Having bought a new pair of heads and had them modified (yes, I actually spent some money) to his spec I found that, compared to the engine I've been using for the last couple of years, they made more top-end power and were more revvy but there was much less bottom-end torque. So you gain one way and lose another.

I agree with Pete on the oil cooler repairs/head feed pipes (I think Lomaxes have been known to use them?) but not on the standard exhausts; I made an exhaust recently and am very pleased with it - it's nice and quiet too.

<weird and wonderful air inlet systems >

Don't bother with the Quality Street box idea; it fractured around the lettering. And the coffee tin is just too tall, unfortunately.

I can ask about flexi pipe prices. (Pirtek)

Will we still be allowed to use 135 or 125 Firestones after the Toyos have been introduced?

[Nigel Hollis]

Roughly what time on Tuesday at Mallory?

[Paul Robertson]

all day nigel

[Sean]

Phil.
Can we get a model No for the carb and/or what they were originally fitted to, as ill need to start trawling the scrappies......were Scottish y'ken
Sean

[helen deeley]

Are we having an AGM to vote on any of these changes?

[philip myatt]

You should all have received a copy of the draft 2010 regs. The explanation for the "ballast" proposal for next years rules is as follows.
In an endeavour to allow filled port heads to be used for a transition year prior to a complete ban for 2011 the ballast proposal is an effort to be able to neutralize any advantage that they (and anyone else going quick) have, should they be substantially quicker than everyone else and finishing in the first five.
The most obvious alternative is to ban the filled port heads immediately.
This is a very contentious issue and whatever solution is looked at is going to upset a proportion of the membership.
Please contact Aubrey or myself direct if you feel the need to express your thoughts/displeasure.

Philip

[Lien93]

I have not received anything.

[Aubrey Brocklebank]

Let me have your e mail address
to [email protected]

[FastKars]

Hi all,

Looking at the draft regs, which contain good ideas, I do not understand the following: 

The filled heads "and/or" matter created quit some discussion this year and the conclusion was (please do correct me if I am wrong) that it was not allowed. Nevertheless I do see a transition year on this "illegal" item as not in 2010 but from 2011 removal only will be permitted.

Looking at the tyre changes I do not see a transition year, possibly needed for all teams that have a stock of "legal" Firestone and/or Michelin tyres, which they can't use anymore.

This doesn't look very logical to me and creates the feeling that being too creative with the rules does pay off.

Can anyone please convince me I do see this wrong?

Regards Kars

[Paul Robertson]

The idea was to allow people who believed that what they were doing was compliant, a season to sort out their engines without losing cars from the grid because they couldn't afford it.
On the tyres situation there was no stock of 145's for at least 4 months this year so we looked for an alternative.It was decided that to make the toyo the sole tyre because then everyone would have the same and there would be no advantage in what stock of old tyres you may still hold.The new tyres should be around1/4 the price of a michelin or firestone so not as big an outlay as it would first appear.
Personally i thought a transition year would have been a good idea,but do 8understand and agree with the reasoning behind not having one.
HTH
Paul

[Martin Sadler]

Good evening,
As some one who is building a car for next year I could do with a set of 2010 regs. Could somebody email me a set - please!
Please forward to [email protected]
Thank you

[philip myatt]

Martin
It will be sometime before the 2010 regs are fully confirmed and approved by the MSA. Email me with the areas you have concerns with.

Philip