That's it I think, the end of my 2CV racing career! Nothing further south than Pembrey & none of the old favourites: Silverstone, Brands and Mallory, though the last might be dead and gone anyway. Pity there can't be more of a geographical spread but no doubt it's all down to money. Anyway thanks to the Club for some wonderful (if off-and-on) racing 1996-2013. It was fun, as they say, while it lasted.
Sadly the end for us to Frank will miss the 24 hour which was the only meeting we attended for the last 6 years.Very disappointed mechanics who have built a second car for the event with the help of Wayne,they were intending to do 24hour as well.Snetterton was good but financial pressure possibly created the need to move,although a consultation would have been usefull to see if teams may have been willing to pay an increased entry fee and how many would not be interested in going to Wales.I had just persuaded some of my local ex motorcyle racer friends to buy a car and do the 24hour event next year to but not to be as they say
If you're willing to pay a greater entry fee, then why not put that money into transport costs to get to Anglesey? It really is a great little circuit and it would be a shame for you to have put in all that effort on your cars not to attend..
There may be a chance that the entry fee will be cheaper at Anglesey. Also with the recent entry fee increases brought about by MSV, I think many competitors would be having second thoughts about doing it at Snet next year.
Additionally, I understand the club is in talks with the circuit, who may be interested in providing free catering for the event to all teams. Surely that would help offset the perceived extra costs of travelling to Anglesey?
Don't worry, you don't even need a passport!
The point is not the cost or the distance for me personally Chris. The problem I have is my wife Deb who has been amazingly supportive but needs my help all the time now as she cannot get out of wheelchair and to drag her to Wales for 5 days is quiet difficult . Snetterton was fine as local and I could go back and forth to house and bring her for just the race that is why we started doing it in the first place.Hope it goes ok in wales as knowing Palmer getting back to Snett will be very difficult.Would have been nice if a sprint race had been secured at Snetterton instead,is there a Welsh commitee now in charge.
Why the grumbling about distances? It's about 50 miles closer for me, I think.
They're all closer for you Derek, and all further away for me. A spread would have been good but like I say, a pity but understandable.
Have i missd a post? where is the full fixture list on the website, cheers, Ian.
Blimey this is a rubbish spread of venues, by all means spread it around for everyone but this is all North and West.....
The 24hr race at Anglesey is as far away from most people as possible.....sadly we will not be going as the discount in price will probably be eaten up in time and fuel costs.
Why has this not been discussed with everyone so we can see the options on venues and prices ?
Rgds Bodger.
@ Ian,
mentioned at AGM
oulton end of march
pembrey end of may
croft end of june
cadwell end of july
not sure of dates and all is subject to confirmation as I understood
I am sure that a lot of discussions have taken place regarding the fixtures, I suppose with Mallory out of the picture now, that leaves BARC with a reduced number of venues and race weekends available to them, so I am sure that we are not the only series that is having the concerns raised. On the 24hr front I think the move to Anglesey makes perfect financial sense for the club, and with the guy who runs Anglesey who made the effort to come to the 2013 24hr race to see what its all about shows to me that he is interested in having us there, also having the 2cvGB meet at the same time can only add to the event that the 24hr Race is.
We've had a wonderful 10 years of 24 hour racing at Snetterton. Jamie, Debs and everyone in their great team has been helpful, supportive and encouraging in every way possible. It's a great circuit, very well run and a credit to MSV.
I came into this weirdly addictive racing about 14 years ago, and in those days we all had to get ourselves across the Irish Sea to Mondello Park. And it was time consuming and expensive to do that. But what a circuit. Fantastic bends and twists and hairpins all in a mile and a half. I know our tyres were different then, but we got through a couple of sets in the race, so wheel changing was an extra pit lane skill. I believe the Red Bull F1 crew studied slow motion film of how we did it!
Although I've not been there yet, the layout of Anglesey is more reminiscent of Mondello, with some extra features. And I've heard that the circuit owners are making us very welcome and giving us top billing for our race weekend. We'll be part of the very extensive island tourist promotion programme. We might even build up a crowd around the circuit over time. And our friends at 2CVGB are having their National meet there, which will further add to a great atmosphere.
Marshals can bring their caravans and their families, park them with a sea view and make a holiday of their weekend.
Yes, the change will be a challenge for some teams based in the south-east. For those like my good friend Greg, the change presents some special difficulties. He and his wife have been stalwart supporters of the race and if we can't help him find a solution, we'll miss him and his team greatly.
With any change, there will be plusses and minuses, and everyone has to adapt to those in their own way. Only time will tell whetherthe change of circuit is a good decision, but if we judge it mainly by the quality of the racing, then the early indications are good.
The provisional venues are on the home page of this website. Anglesey is quite a long drive from here and I cant wait to do it. Every time Ive been there its been a good meeting for racing and socials & this year has the potential to be the best. Its a real shame about Greg, but understandable. Cadwell and Oulton are two of the most interesting circuits in the country, cant wait (although given my current engine situation its probably good that I have to).
Personally I think this is the best bunch of circuits in the country and the most excited ive been about getting in a car for a while. I am after all, a racing driver (some may argue) and i want a circuit that challenges me and my car. These circuits all do this. I will look forward to driving them.
I can't say I'm sorry about leaving Snett, it over 4 hours away from me, its not a 2cv circuit, cars dont suit it and it gets boring unless youre in a pack or waving to the spectator. MSV have high running costs and this is passed on in entry fees to their circuits, this is starting to have an impact on the club.
We dont have a massive choice in 24hr venues and to have a circuit actually go out of their way to have us is great. I think whats planned for the weekend, from what i'm hearing, sounds fantastic. I just want to thank those involved for putting the deal together. People that used to go to Mondello years ago where pleased to see Anglesey, it meant you had about another 6 hours to go before you got to the track.
I would be really sorry to see anybody not make the move to Wales for any reason but things move on, no one wanted to leave Mondello but it happened and we carried on. Anglesey will be great, families can explore the island, we have the 2cv club to impress and its one heck of a circuit that will give everyone a new challenge.
I'm up for it, can't wait.
I totally agree, it's gonna be great!
The layout of the circuit certainly begs comparison with Mondello. I'm very much looking forward to it too.
Anglesey must be the best suited circuit in the country for 2cvs,personally I can't wait. For those who haven't been it is worth every minute of the long drive.
The circuit has facilities at least on par with snetterton and the track is fabulous,lots of corners,plenty of overtaking opportunities,superb level changes,and to top it all you can see half the circuit from the pitlane.
Oh and it would appear they really want us,which makes me like them already.
Or pembrey in marquees.
24hr + anglesey + 2cvgb » excellent....proper drivers circuit...as pete says snett never a 2cv circuit....too much flat out...maybe the people from 2cvgb will bring back some of that special atmosphere we had at mondello...plus the chance to drive the best circuit in the country....cadwell....what more do you want?
If it's a nice weekend, there'll be some stunning sunset views too. Not least from a car at the top of the hill looking over the water.
Llanfair PG's not that far away either; get a bunch of folks standing on the platform holding up one letter each. Possibly one for 2CVGB, that....
All the circuits are good. Might have to extract a digit.
Sounds like Anglesey is a great circuit.......does anyone know the dates yet of the 24hr race ? When is it decided ? Thanks.
The Announcements section doesn't seem to allow a response but Mervyn's statement that the fixture list ' provides a geographical spread across Britain' is nonsense. Come off it, Mervyn, you can claim it as much as you like but it doesn't...
just out of interest how far is everyone from the venues this year, for me its the following....
Oulton Park - 62 miles - 1hr 40 mins
Pembrey - 220 miles - 5hrs +
Croft - 87 miles - 2hrs
Cadwell Park - 105 miles - 2hrs 30 mins
Anglesey - 146 miles - 3hrs
I want to race the full championship so I am willing to drive to the further away circuits from us - Pembrey is going to be a long haul on mainly A roads but we are very excited at the prospect of the 2 hour endurance to be held there. I suppose last year I would have been looking at a lot more miles (Snett, Silverston and Brands) but again to drive such places as Silverstone and taking the car around Brands would have been epic.
Croft was on the calendar last season and I am guessing its a big drive for lots of people?
Croft's the closest at around 150 miles, I think; the rest are all 300/350-ish except Pembrey which is over 450.
From Rye, Sussex: Oulton 263, Pembrey 276, Croft 312, Cadwell 218, Anglesey 358.
in response to frank's calculations, mine are as follows.
oulten park 176
croft 176
pembrey 280
cadwell 55
Anglesey 280
total 967
460 miles different, about 15 gallons @ 30/gallon.
maybe the club should think about using some of it's vast reserves to subsidise people that have to travel over 1000 miles to get to all the meetings.
it wouldn't be the first time for something this. I can remember going to Anglesey before and getting a payment from the club. not only that, we do pay mileage to the board members to go to meetings, why not to members.
also Frank, if you were prepared to come up to cadwell, I am sure we can put you up if you wanted to travel up before the race day. we are only an hour and a bit away.we would also be able to show you the sights of Louth the evening before the race!
what does everyone think to that then?
by the way,
sounds to me like the naughty bear is in the best place so far.
on another subject, can the web master please introduce an interpreter mode onto the site,
so that we can all understand what the hell Derek Coghill has said ??? ???
gadget
As I remember, the Anglesey money was to sway the undecided and was at a critical point of racing/no racing. It was then returned to those who'd entered earlier (from which I benefitted).
I could get over 1000 miles by taking a less direct route to Pembrey; put it towards the 24hr marshals' hamper instead.
Wayne, everything's a long way away for me. Add "miles" after the numbers and all will become clear....
P.S. Those are distances to rather than round trips, aren't they?
Mine are one-way distances.
Quote from: Derek Coghill on December 11, 2013, 00:42:26
P.S. Those are distances to rather than round trips, aren't they?
Mine are one-way distances.
Mine too Derek, the total mileage to the circuits from Sussex would be 1,427, assuming I don't get lost or the satnav doesn't switch to Afrikaans like it insists on doing...
My first full season in 2CV's;
Oulton Park - 177 miles 3hr
Croft - 236 miles 3hr 52 min
Pembrey - 203 miles 3hr 32min
Cadwell - 146 miles 3hr
Anglesey - 277 miles 4hr 32min
Total Millage (each way) 2078
+ testing and trips up to the Gadget workshop.
All look like great 2CV tracks (including 4 that I've never been round before) that will produce fantanstic racing. Anglesey has got to be the highlight for me. Cant wait for the new season to start and for the road trips to begin.
Anyone got a diesel for sale?? ;D
Quote from: Frank Barnard on December 11, 2013, 11:13:03
Quote from: Derek Coghill on December 11, 2013, 00:42:26
P.S. Those are distances to rather than round trips, aren't they?
Mine are one-way distances.
Mine too Derek, the total mileage to the circuits from Sussex would be 1,427, assuming I don't get lost or the satnav doesn't switch to Afrikaans like it insists on doing...
Clearly adding up in Afrikaans also. This is the one-way total. All in: 2,854.
Quote from: Tom Perry on December 11, 2013, 14:16:30
My first full season in 2CV's;
Oulton Park - 177 miles 3hr
Croft - 236 miles 3hr 52 min
Pembrey - 203 miles 3hr 32min
Cadwell - 146 miles 3hr
Anglesey - 277 miles 4hr 32min
Total Millage (each way) 2078
+ testing and trips up to the Gadget workshop.
All look like great 2CV tracks (including 4 that I've never been round before) that will produce fantanstic racing. Anglesey has got to be the highlight for me. Cant wait for the new season to start and for the road trips to begin.
Anyone got a diesel for sale?? ;D
I have an old but tidy xantia td for £300 with 12 months test ,recent clutch and radiator
yes I agree frank.
and Derek's still talking in riddles.
Wayne
The Club subsidised the entry fees for the Anglesey round in 2007 because, at that time, it was in danger of failing to achieve an average entry level of 10 per race. This was done because of the possibility of losing championship status. There was a lot of hoohah after this as some people felt that the subsidy wasn't publicised enough, and that the club was spending money to benfit a minority. This was the year that the races were all of at least an hour duration, because that was what the membership wanted.
As for cost / mileage to races etc, when we did 12 meetings a season, my average costs for entries, fuel, transport, food etc were £4k. When we did four meetings a year my costs were £4k. Both excluding any cost that the 24 hour race had.
I recall a comment made to me by a certain Northern car prepper and engine builder along the lines of "If you can't afford to take a grand out of your pocket and burn it, you cant afford to go racing for a weekend". This still stands- its expensive.
This year I was lucky enough to have three races near to home (which is just as well, as they were largely pants- a long drive home would have finished me off) and next year I intend to compete in all of the sprint races. None are near to me, it doesn't matter. You can't please everyone. If you have a strong passion for racing you'll find a way to pay and you'll endure the travelling. I have a car that is currently dead, possibly no engine, no trailer or towing vehicle, brakes that refuse to work ( no matter who attempts a fix), ruined electrics and a budget that wouldn't cover Gadget's bacon sandwiches. I love racing and the 2cv paddock is a fantastic place to be. thats why I will do everything possible to get all of these problems fixed, get out next year and enjoy it.
I think the board and the chairman do a fine and largely thankless job. They've given us plenty of notice to prepare for next year with the aim of keeping costs down.
gadgets bacon sarnie budget!?!?! thats quite a target to aim for! ....in days of old there were Bliss Burgers aswell...ahh halcyon days...seriously though the mileage is nothing compared to past seasons that involved knockhill, croix, zolder and mondello plus the usual suspects... as trev says sometimes 10+ rounds a season....plus rumours of "development " of cadwell park may lead to this being a last chance to race the best drivers track in the country...miss it at your peril. i hear that angelsey will be the coastal circuit...it will be a shock to those who have only ever 24hr raced at snett...drivers working hard?! ...for 24hrs..surely some mistake? ...:)
Now for the good news, if you live near the south coast. Spa's a 550-mile round trip...
Quote from: Frank Barnard on December 13, 2013, 10:06:02
Now for the good news, if you live near the south coast. Spa's a 550-mile round trip...
You better start looking through bus timetables frank,that's a long way to travel on your free bus pass,i assume it's valid in the euro zone:)
Quote from: Paul on December 13, 2013, 12:10:31
Quote from: Frank Barnard on December 13, 2013, 10:06:02
Now for the good news, if you live near the south coast. Spa's a 550-mile round trip...
You better start looking through bus timetables frank,that's a long way to travel on your free bus pass,i assume it's valid in the euro zone:)
Enough ageist jests, Paul. Old people have always flocked to spas for the good of their health. I hear this one's delightful. Note to myself: enquire about wheelchair access, and also about the purity of their waters...
For a few glorious years, there was an overnight ferry that ran from Rosyth to Zeebrugge. This meant that there were fewer road miles to Spa than to Croft. I went over a lot.
I did wonder how long it would be before trevor chipped in with a fact or two.
I see Derek is still talking in riddles.
frank has now filled in the form to get his bus pass Euro to go to spa for the 24hrs.
Bas has now applied to erect a Blissy burger bar at Barn corner at cadwell, ready for when abifitness arrives from the hairpin. I can see it now,,,,race car on borrowed trailer,,,, got no engine mind,,,no brakes either. no matter, the ones on the trailer work ok. got a seven pin plugged in from the trailer to the race car that's on it!
but it is down hill at this point Bas, you may need to get the food out quick.
we can now come to realise why this bloke has these big muscles,pushing the car to the circuit and back.trying to compete with my bacon sarnie budget,pushing the car around cos his engine's f----ed, and he says he loves it.
my mind boggles, and if you need any help I'm sure Derek coghill can explain everything.
see you all this year I hope...in the mirrors!
Gadget
Gadget not only builds a quick car, makes a mean bacon sandwich, he's also the funniest man from Norfolk since Alan Partridge:).
Happy to report that as of yesterday my spare engine works, towing vehicle sorted, plan to purchase a trailer in January. Just the brakes to sort and those pesky electrics! Blew another lumenition pack yesterday grrrrr! Back to points for the sake of my sanity.
Hoping to see lots of people coming out to play next year. As Tom Perry said the road trips will be fun and I can't wait to try the exciting new venues. If we are having a car pushing competition, I am (for once) going to competitive ;).
oulton park 105
croft 178
pembrey 182
cadwell 115
anglesey 203
total one way 783 the joys of living in the midlands :)
is Oulton park just a one day meeting?
Due to the operating restrictions that Oulton Park works under, they are only allowed a certain (very small) number of events that can run on a Sunday. These are reserved for the big, promoted events ie BTCC, BSB etc. And even then, I think they can only start things after 12 noon on Sundays.
So, more than likely just a one day event
Quote from: Trevor Williams on December 24, 2013, 14:36:02
Due to the operating restrictions that Oulton Park works under, they are only allowed a certain (very small) number of events that can run on a Sunday. These are reserved for the big, promoted events ie BTCC, BSB etc. And even then, I think they can only start things after 12 noon on Sundays.
So, more than likely just a one day event
Tidings of comfort and joy? Motor Sport reports that Mallory has been saved, not that we're going there...
Cheers Trevor!
I think I can help Greg and his family. I have family living on Anglesey (spent a lot of my own childhood there) and I've spoken with them about specialist accommodation near the circuit. I will contact Greg privately.