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I had no real issues with the C1s. A few spun off, and ruined my line, got the car out of shape. A few overtook me under code 60, but the same is applicable to pretty much all the other classes, classiques seemed to like being able to over take the other classes under code 60 too  :P.

Loads of cars on track made it really interesting, like Roy says, just a shame there weren't more UK 2cvs.

The Technical Comittee have discussed this on several occasions. Measuring the light output is difficult and inconsistent without a dark room and proper equipment.  Limiting the light output in lumens or Lux at a distance will not stop glare, which is the issue.  I think all we can do about that is regulate the type of lamps, bulbs and fogs used, like in other series, then regulate that the road beam pattern is kept but that doesn't prevent someone driving round with main beam on behind you.

It sounds ridiculous but I've found the best thing for the glare to be a lightly tinted visor.

I agree with all the comments around safety, we must look at the roll cages and understand how we can improve (back stay to main hoop bars for example). We must also look into the quality of cages and how we can scrutineer them. I heard some worrying rumours about drilled bars on the floors in cages, total madness.

Has anybody got a roll cage for a 2cv for sale?

My dad is looking for a safety devices cage for a car he's building.

Louis

We have been given a further opportunity to promote the club (please see the attachment).

Can anybody help Sarah? If so please email her, and copy [email protected].

Thanks,

Louis

Any one else reminded of this? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKiSPUc2Jck

Get them to pay a deposit, probably the only way to gauge true interest, have had many say they will race but when it comes down to it they do not put their money where their mouth is.

Thank you for the work investigating the club spoiler tooling!

Err, who's car did the EVO journo drive in the 24 Hr? If my memory serves, it was  . . . .

So; who has photos from the club barbecues? Who has stories of comraderie? Who has stories of heroics? Maybe we could focus on these instead of two fucking cars that raced once.

I went round Paul once on the outside of paddock hill!

Super ballsy... I decided not to brake once 🙈

Err, who's car did the EVO journo drive in the 24 Hr? If my memory serves, it was  . . . .

Caryl's.

We can find many negatives however it is now out there; let's look at the positives, unless there is a compelling reason to be overly negative about it?

Let's be really clear that this is a public forum, which people can visit and see us moaning, see us hating the C1s and maybe even be put off the club by the overwhelming negativity which we display on here. From a public image stand point any one who is seriously interested in the club and racing a 2cv will visit the forum. Read back through all of the recent controversial topics, take away your bias, what image does it really cast?

I know we are all very passionate but if we wish to complain about the image cast by a publication maybe we should think about what we publish here, where the people who are really interested are going to visit.

So; who has photos from the club barbecues? Who has stories of comraderie? Who has stories of heroics? Maybe we could focus on these instead of two fucking cars that raced once.

It has raised aweness of the event itself, I've had near 30 people from work alone ask me about it, and not just the C1 mainly the 2cvs... "do people actually race those?" Still after nearly 30  years people who work in the automotive sector are discovering the series.

A readership of several tens of thousands will be good for the series, I'm sure.

V8 S and Mulsanne got glowing reviews though.

This is interesting to me personally. I walked away from two massive crashes at Spa this year with just saw muscles. One of the C1s had a crash and it took 4 of them to open the driver door. Obviously a RTA is massively different from a racing accident because of all the safety regulations, but both the C1s and the 2CVs follow the same safety guidelines (as far as roll cages, seats, harnesses etc. go), the 2CVs have had almost 30 years of racing experience with constant improvements to safety and judging by my crashes at the weekend there is no reason as to why you should think the four drivers you are potentially responsible for would not be the safest they could be.

It depends what you hit. If you hit padded barriers (as I did at Cadwell) it was fine but it still made a mess. I'm glad I didn't hit anything harder and I'm glad that the impact wasn't side on, I think this is highest risk in a 2cv.

As it happens I'm not sure all of the members feel like C1s are being forced upon them but given the reaction here it's very clear to see why they would not openly say so... Either way as you say Nick thy have a big following after only two races.

Do we think this thread had reached the end of its useful life (5 pages ago), can we kill it? It's making us look like a rather unfriendly bunch.

Busy friday, Monday?

Out again Monday, but about thereafter as it stands.

I would like to sit down with one of you (or via email) and see how much it cost to run a 2CV, engine rebuilds, consumables etc

Costa? I'm back in on Friday..

[If you do not like the C1 enter and race a 2cv, vote with your entry]

Firstly I'd like to say thank you to all those who helped get 31 cars on the grid, the entrants, marshals, mechanics, team members and of course the board.

As said by Maria, it's important that EVERYONE's opinion is canvassed... A lot of the opinion I heard in the paddock is not voiced here, several people said it was good some one was trying something to try and help the 24hr (with their own time and money not the clubs), surprisingly few '2cv people' said they'd like a go. That's good isn't it? 2cv racers (bar a couple of exceptions) didn't want to race a C1, a sentiment reflected here it seems.

Anyway I'd consider my self a 2cv person, feel free to challenge me on this, but I've had several variants, currently own 4, drove one everyday for 3 years until commuting and salt started to destroy it, I've been coming to 2cv racing since before I remember. As far as I'm comcerned the car and its ethos run in my veins. I was very much looking forward to driving the daughter car this year, I've driven the mother car on a track day but never the daughter car, both were childhood heroes of mine. I think it's good to have been a 2cv person in a C1, an open mind for a different view.

I raced a C1, and I wouldn't mind a go in a Mini. I'll challenge the point about character, I believe it's actually probably one of the most fun and characterful 'modern' cars you can buy. I say 'modern' because it has about the same amount of electronics in it as my old AX GTi (1992 so presumably developed 88 onwards). Never had any like or dislike for them previously just a view that in white they look like a washing machine! I had great fun drafting several times, couldn't see a thing in the wet in the first stint. Could make a brilliant standalone series.

The C1 was faster than I thought it'd be, is this a problem? In its own race series, not at all, in our 24hr maybe. I'd like to see a 2cv win overall or at least have the chance. I think in future we need to look at fair ways of giving every class the opportunity for an outright win. I believe we have the data now to allow this, I think the best way to do this is with a lap penalty.

On the commentary, there was a little on C1s mainly seemed to be based on the novelty, most of it focused on the hybrids as they were in the lead, which would be resolved with a system whereby all cars could win.

So; there is no proposal to introduce the C1 into our series despite the tone of the article. I don't believe the C1 should be in our series, that's my personal opinion. Other club members have disagreed with me on this, and no it wasn't Anyone who sits on the board.

Does it damage the 2cv 24hr? Not really. I don't think it made anybody else's race worse as result of the C1? The fears of a C1 obliterating a 2cv amassed to nothing, in fact Caryl's car got a good couple of dents from a 2cv and Philip's a good dent from a Mini. We already have other classes, and the C1 may further subsidise 2cv racing.

Repair costs, yep I've got some of those.

People who I've tried to get into a 2cv and failed (all licence holders and racers) have been very keen! Unfortunately there is a stigma associated with the 2cv, and after 27 years I think we can agree that it's not going anywhere. I think this means really your 2cv driver pool is limited to those who can see past the stigma.

I think people who want to race a 2cv will always race a 2cv. I'm racing a 2cv(ish) at Spa, and I'll most likely race a 2cv next year.
If you don't enter a 2cv because a C1 is entered, I don't think you really want to race a 2cv, you damage the club with that sentiment, the best way to push back against a C1 is surely to enter a 2cv and prove the numbers are not needed?

If you do not like the C1 enter and race a 2cv, vote with your entry

What should we, as a club, do? The sprint series is always well attended, I think the formula works. 3-5 more cars would make it very well attended. In June the 24hr had 6/7 UK 2cvs entered, 12 overall and a likely final entry number of 17 (correct me if I'm wrong).
The discussion at the board meeting briefly touched on cancelling the 24hr to protect the club and allow it to continue. All agreed this was not an option, the 24hr is the jewel in the crown of the series. This is why the C1 and UK Hybrid were proposed for this years race. I voted in favour of both.

The C1 has been a trial, I'm not sure what the outcome will be. As I stated above no proposal relating to the C1.

It's clear to me that we must get more 2cvs out for the 24hr. I would love to see a full grid of 2cvs. I don't know how we do this but I know we will be trying to gather data soon.
Please help with this, be honest, tell the club what would get your car our, and how you think you can fill it with drivers.
For me, I didn't enter 66 with Paul as we both decided we needed a break, not just for us but for our friends and family who dedicate their whole August to our selfish hobby..